Nov. 10/11/76 Weird night

This one actually DID result in an actual death, the following day (Nov. 11, 1976)

But it's what proceeded the accident that is strange.

On Nov. 10th, my 29 year old husband and I had gone to bed.

He had another early morning.  He worked road construction and was a foreman who also operated heavy equiptment. And the following day he'd be going with his boss to check out a job site in a town and take a full truckload of dry concrete to the site.

(But I wouldn't know all these details until later)

So we went to bed, and I drifted off to sleep,... only to be awakened, later, by a jolt of some sort of 'electricity'? Static electrical shock ?

I don't know,... but my husband had 'touched' me,.... and I felt the shock and jumped.    Too sleepy to come fully awake to analize what had happened, I went back to sleep,.... but several more times during the night, this was to be repeated.

When his alarm clock went off the next morning,... I  started to get up and walk with him to the kitchen, and see him off... but he gently pushed me back 'No.   You  go on back to sleep,....(as he tucked the blankets around me in the cold room) 'I'll reset the alarm clock so you can get Michael off to school,... you just go on back to sleep,.... I'm sorry about last night'   (huh ?  I didn't exactly know what he was talking about) 'Last night,.... for Some-reason-or-another,... I just kept reaching out to touch you,.... I just needed to know that you were 'still there'    but every time I touched you,.... You  jumped-half-out-of-your-skin ! So I'm sorry about keeping you awake'  (oh,.... yeah,... That.)   so he tucked the blankets around my shoulders, kissed me goodbye, said 'I'll see ya this evening' 

And he left.

But he never came home that evening.

He'd been killed about 3 O:clock that same afternoon.

There's more to this story.

He'd told me a couple of years before the accident (I'm leaving out some details here) That if 're-incarnation was the actual way of things (and Not the Lutheran teachings he'd grown up with) That That meant,... he could 'come-back-and-find-(me)'    He added 'There can't be ANYTHING, stronger in the Universe, than 'love' and I LOVE-you-Lady !!!!  So God's just going to Have to understand,.. and let me come back and find you'

About 12 years ago,... in Macon, Ga. about 130 miles from where I live, now,.... he/a 28 year old man named David,... 'found' me.

I'd moved from the area with my 2 sons, the summer of 1977.   But that April of 2007, I'd gone back to Macon with my new husband and had gone out to a place, I was going to be at Only a single day.    It was a place my Chuck had done some work (recreational area) in the mid 70s,... the place was just down the road a piece from the little Methodist church we'd gotten married in on Aug. 08, 1969.      In the meantime,..... David had been told by a man he barely knew (as I understand what had happened) that he NEEDED to be In Macon, Ga. on that particular date, that particular place,... that there was 'something' he Needed to go there and Find,.... and that 'it' would Only be there, for one day,.... that if he didn't go, then, and 'find it' then (he'd have missed the window) and he'd never be happy again, and he'd never know 'why'     David later told me that he'd never been to Macon, Ga. before,.... but on blind faith,.. he took the man's advice, and went.     Within minutes of arriving, he met, me.    (the site was Tobesofkee recreational area, I was a historical re-enactor, our org. was having a reenactment weekend there that was more or less closed to the public,.... but since it was a public area,... outsiders were on-site.   He arrived,... parked, it had been a long drive,.... he found a porta-pottie and coming out of it,... met me, waiting to go in.    He baby-sat my cat while I was in there and then came and sat with me under my pavilion to watch the Medieval combat.  I worked on embroidery on a gown, and he and  I talked for 5 or 6 hours.  It would be several more weeks before all the pieces would finally fall into place and we all (him, me and my husband) would finally realize 'who'   he really WAS,...... but that's another somewhat long story,... to be saved for another time.       

I realize NDEs are not exactly the same as this,....  but he had been 'near' to death, that HAD taken him.   But the night before his death,.... no-one really knew that.    Just the same,... the electrical charges,..... HE didn't appear to feel what I had,... he didn't mention anything but MY reaction to his touching me.  When I'd wakened that morning, I vaguely remembered the jolts, but wasn't sure if they'd been real or something I'd dreamed,.... but when he said what he did, about me 'jumping-half-out-of-my-skin' then I'd Known they'd been real.

Might anyone here have any insight to any of this ?   Have/know of any similar stories ?    I've always been curious.

(Re. David, we're still friends of a sort,.. he and my present husband hit it off immediately,.... I'd always told H. 'IF you could have met him, you'd of liked him'

David and I had exchanged email addresses and phone numbers.  He stated calling me almost every day.   My husband started getting concerned,... he felt a threat of some sort to our marriage.  We saw David several more times at our reenactment events. and then we were planning to meet him and his niece, Christian, at the annual Renaissance fair, starting on Saturday.  My husband surprised me a couple of nights (Thurs.) earlier by verbally laying into me about David,... i.e. he was jealous,...   I broke down in tears.   He continued making demands,... for 'explanations' I finally told him ' I don't know HOW to tell you,...… He's CHUCK !!!!   I'm SURE of it !!!!!   Everything 'fits'  all the little things,... they all add up !'   (I can go more into this via email if you want,- also remind me, if I don't put it here, to tell the details of a conversation we'd had about 2 years before his death,... in the middle of the night,... 3/4 AM,... I think I touched some on that when I first wrote the story above, but there were more details,.... important ones,.... I'll add them if I discover I have enough time... but right now I'm at the public library and may get interrupted at any point,... so I just want to share the story)   He was stunned.  

I don't know what he was expecting, but this, CERTAINLY was not 'it'   I detailed all that was adding up,.... I also explained stuff re. David's appearance (he's kinda homely, not my type, at ALL,...  6'4' blond, chinless.     Because of childhood and early teen experiences, I have ALWAYS, been TERRIFIED of 'big' guys,..... My father was 6'3.5'   and had been molesting me since I was a toddler.   when I was 14 and a virgin I had been raped by a big, football player-BUILT guy who'd held a pearl-handled knife to my throat the whole time and later bragged about another girl he'd done (the same) to,... who (he's shown me a graduation photo of and asked me 'do you see her,... do you know where she 'is' right now ? she's  in Crawford Long Hospital (Atlanta),... they don't think she's going-to-live,.... 'Someone' cut her up pretty bad !   she told on me and they came looking for me,.... but I found her, before they found me' (apparently they Didn't find him) 'If You tell,...?  I won't make that mistake a Second time,...'     Oh course my husband had long known of all this,.... so I pointed out ' WHY in the HELL would I be 'attracted' to someone blond AND BIG ????    This is Purely CHUCK'S doing !!!!   He came back LOOKING like this on Purpose !!!!   Maybe to make SURE I Wouldn't be attracted to him,.... but   also, Maybe,....so YOU would know I wasn't attracted to him,.... '    So I told my husband everything I'd figured out that Pointed to this being Chuck.  (You can see a photo of Chuck on my Face Book page   It's black and white and was taken the night before we got married on August 8, 1969.   My hair is in curlers for the wedding,... He is looking up at me adoringly.    You can also find 'David C' in my friends list.   )    So I tell my husband, Hays,... all the reasons I KNOW this is CHUCK,..... and Finally, he calms down and apologizes for jumping on me.     Then, on Friday, while my husband was at work,.... my neighbor Cathy came to see me.   She came to  thank me for a gift,... a pure white Fox tail I'd bought her in Mississippi at one of our   big wars,.... Cathy is 100 % native American, Half Chippewa, half Ottawa ......................................................................Inside her home, she had a shrine of sorts for her friends and family back on the reservation in Michigan.   She'd shown it to me.  She'd said that she WISHED she had a white fox tail to add to it.   Cathy and I didn't really know each other very well,.. we both had long driveways and had encountered each other at the end of them, retrieving mail from our boxes several times over a year or so,.... we hadn't had any big, in depth, conversations,....  we Had talked,... but standing out by the road, was not conducive to any  long heart-to-hearts or really private stuff,...   One day she'd invited me to walk back down her driveway,... she wanted to 'show' me something (her shrine,... and show me pix of her family, Mom and Dad, cousins etc.)  That's when she'd mentioned the wish for the fox tail,..... I knew I was going to the Big War and I knew there would be folks there selling furs and fox tails,.... I decided I'd find her one,... a white one, if I could,... I did and reasonable,... 8 bucks.   I'd taken it to her. she'd been overjoyed, but then questioned me about the origins,... i.e. had the fox been killed,... just for it's pelt/tail ???  I white-lied,... told her what she wanted to hear 'No,... I think they said it had been a road-kill,... someone just rescued the tail to sell it'   That satisfied her.  I had recently moved down the street a hundred feet or two so my mailbox had also moved and I hadn't been seeing her at the road any more.  So here she shows up at my newly build house,... 'I just wanted to thank you for the beautiful fox tail !!!!'

OK.

Then,... and I'm not entirely sure Why,.... (except that I'm a blabbermouth and I was bubbling over with excitement about the David/Chuck thing)  I said to her 'Cathy,... I wanna tell you about David,...…'

That's all she let leave my lips.

Suddenly there was a strange expression on her face,... she held up her hand, palm towards me, to silence me,....

Seemed to be 'listening' to something,.... (I live in-the-woods,.... birdsong is Everywhere,... and near constant)   but she wasn't 'listening' to That,... it was something else, and I' didn't hear it,...…

I tried to speak again and she made an impatient gesture,... again, snapping her hand at me to be quiet !

She 'listened',... turning her head from side to side,..... eyes kinda 'looking' upwards and around,... but trying to narrow in on what she was listening to,.....  Finally she said 'This 'David',...… he's NOT-who-you-think-he-is !.....'

'Cathy' ….

'SHUSH !!!!!'

'he's not David,.... he's,... (listening trying to understand)

'he's,.... 'Chhhhhhhhhhhhh…..'

'Chuuuuuu…….Chuck ?'

'YES !!!!'

'Chuck ?'

'YES'

'He's your Love,... Your lost love,.....OMG,... ! He's come back to FIND you !!!!!'

I laughed at her 'I KNOW.  I just told Hays last night,.... He was mad because David and I were on the phone so much., so he laid into me,... and I told him,... and he apologized for getting mad,..... I know,.....'

Cathy looked at me wide-eyed,.... Then grinned 'OMG !!!!   Feel my leg !!!'

'Huh ?'

'FEEL_MY_LEG !!!!! It's covered in goosebumps !!!'

I sneered at her 'I am NOT going to 'feel-your-leg' !'

'Then LOOK !!!!'  (as she showed me her goose-bumped leg)

About that time a black sports-type car pulled into the driveway,.... it was my husband who she'd never met before or even properly seen.

She ran over to the car as he was getting out,... she grabbed his hand between both of hers (in a vice-like grip,.... I could see the pain written all over his face)

She started rapid fire pleading with him 'PLEASE don't be MAD at her !!! PLEASE !  It's not HER fault !!!!'

He looked past her, at me with a questioning look.   'Honey,.... this is Cathy,.... she knows about David.'

'You TOLD HER !!!!????'

(I laughed) 'No,.... she-told-ME !!!!'

Cathy was still hanging onto his hand for dear life, still pleading 'Don't be mad at Her,.... it's not HER fault !  He came back to FIND her !!!!!'

I assured him I would explain everything, later.

She finally got his assurance that he understood and was NOT made at me.    And she left, and I told him what had happened.

If he was stunned the night before, he was MORE SO, now.

Over and over again in the years to come,... he would say 'I BELIEVED YOU,.... but what happened with Cathy,.... that REALLY sealed it for me,... I KNEW she could NOT have Known !!!!!'

No.    What little Cathy and I had spoke at the mailbox, I'd only told her that when my husband was killed on the job, I'd moved myself and my two kids to the country.     I'd never told her his name,... that's apparently why she was trying to understand the 'name' being told to her,.... if she'd known it,... she wouldn't have been trying to hard to understand it..

We were seeing David the next day.   Hays had asked me 'Does HE know ?'

I said he apparently didn't,... I wanted to tell him,.... but wasn't sure How.

I finally decided to write something,.... just information, about his earlier family,... his German Family in Illinois. The number of his brothers and sisters,... the fact that he'd had a twin, Kenny (fraternal) facts as to his birth place and time

I wrote it out on a sheet of paper.    I was going to give it to him,.... but I was scared. Finally I called him 'Tomorrow,... remind me,... I have something for you,... an envelope,.... I KNOW who you WERE'

He didn't ask any questions, just said a puzzled 'OK'

(I'd told Hays,... I've told him,.... but I'm NOT going to give it to him unless he ASKS for it)

The next day we met him and his niece in the parking lot of the Renaissance fair.

He didn't ask for the envelope,....I was almost relieved ...........................................................While we were all watching a live stage show,... I thought of something,... re. Chuck,.. a sort of peculiarity,... and had looked back at him, almost hoping not to see it,...… but I did.   His belt buckle on his jeans,... wasn't centered, it was pushed off to one side,... Just as Chuck had always worn his,....(Because he did fancy complicated Square-dancing when I met him and had a big fancy western belt buckle, that he said cut-into-his belly when he sat down,.... so he wore it off to the side so it wouldn't)  David didn't have such a buckle, but he STILL had his belt buckle off to the side,.... and as I saw That, I also saw something else, I hadn't been looking for,.... he wasn't wearing a wrist watch.   Chuck had stopped wearing a wristwatch when he'd nearly gotten killed on the job one day when chains on a truck, loaded with heavy metal pipe,... had snapped, and he'd been trapped between the side of the truck and a VERY high chain-link fence,..... his reflexes had been good and before the ton of pipes could come crashing down atop him,... he had leapt for the fence sideways,... his right hand reaching high and ensnarling the fence wires,... he'd hauled himself up to safety, but his left arm had trailed behind him,.... and the pipe had hit and shattered his wrist and his watch,...… a trip to ER had put him in a cast and he was back to work, but needed a watch, so he'd bought a metal one (pocket)  on a chain. and always used that.   OMG.   David had some sort of watch on his belt but it was leather encased.

Anyway,... we all spent the day having fun at the faire.

By the end of the day,... we'd hugged and said our goodbyes,... he'd headed with his niece to the far end of the parking lot.   Hays asked me 'Did he ask for the envelope ?'

'no'

We talked as Hays removed his Ren. fair clothes and put them in the back of the truck.

Before we could leave,... we suddenly started hearing a horn blowing, and David's Jeep barreling down the parking lot in our direction,... He swung around and pulled up next to us 'You said you had an ENVELOPE for me !!!!'

I fetched it.  Gave it to him with the flap tucked in,... not sealed,... I didn't want him to Have to break a seal,.... I had a feeling he was going to be nervous/scared,.... I was right.

He took the envelope from me,.....

Then turned to his niece and told her to hand him a root beer from the floorboard  (A & W,..... they have specialized A & W root-beer stands in Illinois,.... but that wasn't common in Georgia where  'Coke' was  king.   But Chuck had taken me to one in Illinois,... talking about how GOOD they were, Ice Cold (like our Coke)    

Christian handed David the root-beer, he popped the top,... and guzzled it down.   My eyes were about to pop out of my head,..... he said 'Wwwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaatttttt ?'

'The root beer' (I meant the A & W)

He misunderstood.

'It's HOT ! (the weather) and I'm Thirsty !!!!'

(EXACTLY the same excuse Chuck had always used whenever he'd pop and guzzle down a hot soft drink)

I told David 'The person in that envelope,... Liked A & W too,.....May I ask,... why do you wear your belt buckle shoved off to one side ?'

He said he didn't know,... he'd just always done it   (I MAY have a photograph of him wearing one off to the side atop a tunic)

(I told him the person in the envelope wore his off-to-the-side,... and why)

Then I asked him why he wasn't wearing a wrist watch ?

He said he had a pocket watch.

I told him 'The person in the envelope,...stopped wearing one, also,... But it was an old-fashioned metal one with a flip lid, and he wore it in his watch pocket and left the chain clipped to his waist)

David said he had a metal one also and wore it the same way.

It would be a week or so, before he would find the courage to remove the flap from inside the envelope and read the contents.

He later confessed that he'd spent a lot of time looking at it,... afraid to find out.

(just a side note here)

David had told me of a lady he was very much in-love with, named Sharon.

He'd shown me her picture,.... on a general description,... I would also fit the description, except for age,... dark hair, long faced.

He said he was in-love,...…  I showed my now husband a copy of the picture and suggested to him 'I think he had this image in his mind of the wife he'd come back to find, and he found HER before he found me,.... so he thought SHE was the one he was looking for,....'

My husband agreed that might be so,.... but added (as he cringed) that she might be 'younger' than me, but she wasn't very  attractive,...

I told him 'I'm not, either,...'

'Well,... you're a HELL of a Lot more attractive than SHE is !!!'

(Thank you,... a lady likes to hear those things)

He'd been pursuing her for years  but she wouldn't have him  (before me,... Chuck had been seeing a RAVISHING tall-raven-haired officer's daughter name Karen,.....she had wanted to marry him,.... but he wasn't having it,.... he didn't want her to wife.   The moment  he laid eyes on me,... he dropped her like a lead balloon and proposed to me, 8 days later (That's another story I'll have to tell another time,....it had been love-at-first-sight for him 'THAT'S the girl I'm going to marry !!!')

But now here David was,.... head over heels with Sharon,.... and she was tolerant of him, but had made it crystal clear she didn't want to have ANY relationship with him, but friendship.

David turns 41 (?) on July 9.   He was born in 1978

Chuck's Bd. was June 9,... 1947.

(there is another story, here,.... it's in re. to exactly 1 year after Chuck's death,... the morning of the first Ann. of it,... he came to me in a dream,....The rest I'll tell another time.   Suffice to say that part of what Chuck had told me was that 'have something I Need to go 'do''

David was born 8 months later.

The Following Nov 11th,...(1978)  I spent that day drawing a picture of a baby, several months old, nursing at it's mother's breast.

David would have been 4 months old at the time of that drawing.

I still have that drawing,..... if for some reason or another I can't locate it,.. I have a pix of it in my computer)

This is all I'm going to write for now.

You have the means to contact me.

I'm willing to answer any questions I can or attempt to clear anything up.   (memories,... convent/N.A.)

2 years before my husband's death,... he'd told me 'If anything happens to me,... and things are the way You want to believe they are,.... then it doesn't matter WHAT I (was raised to believe)  if things are the way you (want to believe) then THAT means,... I can come back and Find you.   There CANNOT,... be ANYTHING stronger in the Universe, than 'love' and I Love you Lady !!!!   So God's just gonna HAVE to understand,... and let me come back and Find you'         And he did,... as David,... tall, scary 6'4' David,... who I now was supposed to understand was my Chuck, returned from the dead, to 'find' me.   I confided to David that his being so big was frightening to me.   And I told him my history.   At least once, he had asked me 'Are you afraid of me, NOW ?'   (no,.... not at that time,... but there would come a time when I would begin it be,... just a little)  Just for the record, and I don't know if I should be telling this,... but after David found out 'who' he was,... I went into a deep state of depression,... and was constantly crying.   it was about to worry my husband half-to-death,...   He was going around introducing me to PPL as his 'widow'  and having a good laugh off of that.   But that's not where I'm going, now.   I was Horribly depressed. I didn't KNOW WHAT to do,..... I couldn't get enough of the sheer wonderment of his existence, again in my life. I kept wanting to TOUCH him,..... just to make Sure he was REAL,...…  The fact that he'd literally cross both Heaven and Earth to find me again,..... some 22 years after I'd lost him,.... was just mind-boggling.  No, I didn't want to leave my present husband for him (nor had he remotely expected me to)  (My husband, on the other hand, was not so certain about that)  He genuinely LIKED David,... said he thought of him as a 'brother'   (I have pix of the two of them together, taken at the Ren. Faire that one weekend)  But anyway,.... my constant depression was a great source of concern to my husband. He'd lost his own mother to suicide after a long period of depression.   'Crying a lot' was apparently one of the most noticeable things about her in the months leading up to it)    So my husband made the ultimate sacrifice,...… he SENT me to David.   INSISTED I go meet him,... near where he lived. even told me which motel to go get a room at and to have David meet me there. adding 'I don't care WHAT HAPPENS (there) as long as the crying stops,... when you come home'

I tried, not to go,.... but he called me from work and demanded ('GO !!!!!   Just call me when you get there and let me know you arrived safe')

I did.    He asked if David was coming there to see me ?   I said he'd said he would,... he'd said something about 'taking me to dinner'

He said he was glad,... 'Have a nice time' ' I'll see ya when ya get home on Sunday.'

When I got home on Sunday,... the crying had stopped.

But something odd had happened in that room.

David had come,... and had sat in a straight-backed chair tight against the window.

When he finally said he had to go. I'd burst into tears and had dashed ahead of him, towards the door.   About the time I reached the bathroom door (before the hall door)   I'd suddenly stopped,.... head down,... crying,... and he'd come up behind me,..... he leaned over,... and left a pattern of kisses across the back of my shoulders.   I had a sudden flashback, to Chuck often doing that,.. when I'd been in the kitchen, cooking, my back to him.  I'd finally asked Chuck 'What- are you Doing ?'

To which he'd laughed and said 'I'm leaving you a message'

'What's the message '

'YOU-figure-it-out !'

But I never had.

Now here was David,.... ALL these years later,.... doing exactly the same thing !  *---****---***

OMG

I understood the message !!!! I---love---you

I was stunned.

I asked him why he had Done that ? !

He said he didn't Know,... it just sorta seemed the thing to do at the time.

I told him about Chuck doing it,... and what he'd said.

David was stunned

So the question was about love ?

I WANTED to believe.

OK,... I guess this is where I should tell what had happened 2 years before Chuck's death.

I was sitting in the middle of our bed,.. sobbing, hysterically.

Chuck had awakened to find me in that state.

He asked me what was 'wrong' ?

I said I was 'afraid of dying' (I was about 24 at this time,... I had memories of past lives and had Tried from a Very young age to discuss them with my mother,... but she'd just brushed them off as 'Dreams'..... A Girl child protestant upbringing,.... a child of 3 or 4, does NOT have GROWN-UP 'dreams' of living in a convent on the side of a mountain, the life of a Nun, wearing stiff (cheaply-made shoes) that seem to be forever hurting because they're too small and too stiff.    I had no clue What a 'nun' was, nor had I ever SEEN a Mountain or did I know what a Cloister etc. was.   A child, of 3 or 4 cannot know ANYTHING about a lifetime as a native American MALE adult,... who watched his pregnant wife killed, stepping low through the squared doorway of a bark or mat-covered round-topped dwelling,..... cannot know ANYTHING, of a burial on the East side of a mountain with a stone cairn above,..... and distance snow-capped mountain with the setting sun, glowing off the snow,.... or know about a lonely bitter life,... roaming the mountains, on foot, until one day just giving up,... and laying down in the snow to await death.   what could a 3 or 4 year old know of these things ???   Yes,.... I saw Cowboys and Indians at the movies,... but the Indians always had horses and lived on the plains in teepees.    

Anyway,.... when I tried to talk about it,... she said it was Just dreams,.... so she never let me tell her much,... certainly not enough for her to see the inconsistencies. 

Now here I was, sobbing in the middle of my bed as a 24 year old.

My husband put his arms, comfortingly around me,... asked about my memories,.... wasn't THAT proof ?

(he meant, for Me,... for himself, he was Lutheran and didn't believe)

I had  just wailed 'But what if it's all something ELSE !!!!'

And that's when he told me 'Ya know,... I'm not-afraid-of-dying,.... in fact, the ONLY thing I'm gonna hate about dying, is no sex'

(I guess he was trying to make me laugh)

But then he added.   'I feel bad,... This Can't be the ONLY time, this has happened' (me crying hysterically in the middle of the night, afraid)   I admitted it had happened before.   He was really sad about that.   Then said 'LOOK,... I Hate t think of you going through all this all alone and me just sleeping and not knowing,.... LOOK,..... The work I do, is Dangerous,... I have has so MANY close calls, I never told you about,...…  but if it's ANY comfort,.... if anything DOES happen-to-me,.... then I won't be here anymore to hold you,... and I think you're gonna be even more scared,.... so,... I'm thinking,.... maybe there's a way I'll be able to send you a message, just to let you know I'm OK,.....'    (Gosh,.... I have not thought about THIS in many years)   (I had told him a story of an episode I'd seen on Phil Donahue,.... where a woman dying of cancer, but believing in re-incarnation, had told her Dr. that she would try and send a message (from beyond) that could ONLY come from Her.    The Dr. (some sort of Dr. who helps comfort dying patients)  (I forget if it was a he or she) said that they'd arrived at the hospital one Winter day,... gone to her room, but her bed was empty,.. she'd died during the night,... went to their office,... sat at a desk and then 'something' at the window had caught their eye,.... it was a single Magnolia blossom in full bloom.   The office window was two stories up,... there was snow on the ground,.... but ONE BLOSSOM was in full bloom outside the window.  The Dr. then explained that the lady had been a passionate gardener,... so this was her message.   I was working on being a 'passionate gardener' but wasn't quite there, yet ,..... but at the time of Chucks accident bout 2 years later, I was trying to force some Daffodil bulbs in my kitchen,...  I was taken to my father's house on Thursday, and did not return to my own home until Sunday, after the memorial service,... I walked into my kitchen,... and there on the kitchen table,... were the bulbs I was trying to force (They'd come from Plains, GA. from when Chuck was working there, during the last of Jimmy Carter's run for president) (I'd gone down to stay a week with him in the motel in Americus and had driven out to the job site and had sat sketching a house across the road which turned out to be P. Carters, father's parents home.   The flower bulbs were dug up by the heavy equipment across the road and I'd rescued all I could,.... I still have them planted where I live, now,....AND have the sketch I'd done that I had gotten Ms. Lillian to autograph for me,.... pix of that, in my PC with closeup of her signature if I'm not mistaken)

Anyway,.... I came into my kitchen and ONE of the7 or 8 bulbs was in full bloom,... the others were nowhere near, I had been gone for 3 nights

But back to the night 2 years earlier.

He'd said he'd 'send me a message'   and he did.   He'd told me what I've said already about  finding me again

BTW,... just a side note here,.... he was killed in Nov.  A couple of weeks before Christmas,... I was in my bed, half-asleep/half dreaming,.... in my dream I had looked towards the bedroom door to see Chuck standing in the doorway, wearing an ear-to-ear grin.   I KNEW I was dreaming,..... He knew he was dead and that I was dreaming.   he said to me 'Ya know,... a couple of years ago, I told you,... the Only thing I was gonna Hate about dying, was 'no sex' (yeah) 'well,...  I was WRRRRROOOONNNGGGG !'

And he came towards me, taking off his clothes, got into my bed, made-love to me, got dressed, kissed me, told me he loved me, and left.

I woke up,..... LAUGHING.

During the first 60  days after his death, I lost a solid 40 pounds,..... but this one day, I started the day, laughing.

At the time of your experience was there an associated life-threatening event?     

Was the experience difficult to express in words?  No    

At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness and alertness? Not really until the next morning when I realized it (the part the first of my story is about) had been real

How did your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience compare to your normal everyday consciousness and alertness?      Less consciousness and alertness than normal   I'd been sleeping,.... I kept going back to sleep after the electrical jolts

Please compare your vision during the experience to your everyday vision that you had immediately prior to the time of the experience.   N/A

Please compare your hearing during the experience to your everyday hearing that you had immediately prior to the time of the experience.   N/A

Did you see or hear any earthly events that were occurring during a time that your consciousness / awareness was apart from your physical / earthly body?   No  

What emotions did you feel during the experience?   Confusion  

Did you pass into or through a tunnel?   No  

Did you see an unearthly light?   No  

Did you seem to encounter a mystical being or presence, or hear an unidentifiable voice?   No

Did you encounter or become aware of any beings who previously lived on earth who are described by name in religions (for example: Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etc.)?   No  

Did you encounter or become aware of any deceased (or alive) beings?   Yes   Later,... yes,.... explained in story told

Did you become aware of past events in your life during your experience?   No  

Did you seem to enter some other, unearthly world?   No

Did time seem to speed up or slow down?   No

Did you suddenly seem to understand everything?   No

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure?   No

Did you come to a border or point of no return?   No

Did scenes from the future come to you?  No 

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness suggesting that there either is (or is not) continued existence after earthly life (“life after death”)?   Yes   eventually, yes,.... see story

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness that God or a supreme being either does (or does not) exist?   No  

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness that you either did (or did not) exist prior to this lifetime?   No  

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness that a mystical universal connection or unity/oneness either does (or does not) exist?   No  

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness regarding earthly life’s meaning or purpose?   No  

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness regarding earthly life’s difficulties, challenges, or hardships?   No  

During your experience, did you encounter any specific information / awareness regarding love?   Yes   Yes,..... as in the story,.... keep in mind that I began filling out these forms over 5 and a half hours ago,  and then LOST the folks to the internet,.... my PC hiccupped,.... and the forms disappeared,....  now I am trying with the time I have left, to fill this all out again

During your experience, did you encounter any other specific information / awareness that you have not shared in other questions that is relevant to living our earthly lives?   Yes   I became aware of much,... in the months and years to follow

Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge or purpose?   No  

What occurred during your experience included:   Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience   I needed confirmation.

In time, I was able to get that

How accurately do you remember the experience in comparison to other life events that occurred around the time of the experience?   I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience   Because it was Very important at the time,... so I remembered

Discuss any changes that might have occurred in your life after your experience:   That's all spelled out in the earlier story,... where I had been saving the story answers,.... I just sent all I'd saved before the PC went nuts

My experience directly resulted in:   Large changes in my life

Did you have any changes in your values or beliefs after the experience that occurred as a result of the experience?   Yes   I just accept life as it comes and try to figure out what the lessons are I'm supposed to be learning,... I no-longer see things as a battle to try and survive,... and yet I do battle and I do ,survive,.. I just try and find an understanding to it all now

Do you have any psychic, non-ordinary or other special gifts after your experience that you did not have before the experience?   Yes   I've always been an empath,... for as long as I can remember

(I have a story about that I can share,... but no time left today,... the library closes too soon now, and I have no internet at home)

In my growing up years and teens,.... I was very in-touch with ESP types of things and became aware of many things before they happened,... but when I was 15 or so,.... that ended,... because someone tried (for their own entertainment) to exploit that,... and mentally, for the most part, I just shut down and refused to do it anymore,.... but there was an occasion or two, in my 20s etc. when I knew 'something' before it happened,.....  story about an accident on Interstate 75 through and beyond Atlanta South

Are there one or several parts of your experience that are especially meaningful or significant to you?     Always,.... but only my present husband is aware of most

Have you ever shared this experience with others?   Yes  Complicated,... I don't have enough time,....The story covered most all

Did you have any knowledge of near death experience (NDE) prior to your experience?   No  

What did you believe about the reality of your experience shortly (days to weeks) after it happened:   Experience was definitely real   read the story,... all explained, there

What do you believe about the reality of your experience at the current time:   Experience was definitely real  

Have your relationships changed specifically as a result of your experience?   Yes   I try to be more understanding of PPL and their faults

My greatest Super Power is my Patience

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?   Yes   I now have a SOLID belief system that has answered ALL my questions,... I have no more,.... I now perceive 'life' as an adventure to be savored and learned from

At any time in your life, has anything ever reproduced any part of the experience?   No     

Did the questions asked and information that you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience?   Yes   I've tried to tell it all.

There are a number of 'side-stories'/branches off the tree,... some covered, some not,...'time' is right now something I don't have enough of (at the library)

What could a national organization with an interest in near death experience (NDE) do that would be of interest to you?     Tell my story.

Hope is a beautiful thing.

I still so clearly remember the terror of being 24 and sobbing hysterically in my bed,.... oh yes,... another side-story.

David and I were just talking (in the early days) and I'd mentioned to him about the conversation 'Chuck' had had with me that night.

David suddenly got very Quiet.

I asked what was 'wrong' ?

He said 'I thought it was just-a-dream,....'

(WHAT ?)

'I was asleep,.... and in my dream I woke up to find a girl in my bed, crying, like her heart was breaking,... (she had long dark hair and she was in my bed, so I assumed she was either wife or girlfriend) So I asked her what was 'wrong? and she said she was 'afraid of dying' and I told her 'I' wasn't 'afraid'.....'

I THOUGHT it was all just a dream,..... now you've told me the rest of it and as you've talked, I just kept thinking 'Oh yeah,.... that was in it, too,.... but now I find out it was a memory,..... I don't know,.... '  (he indicated it was still an awful lot to take in)